Stephen O'Grady has spent 20+ years at RedMonk tracking what developers actually adopt — not what the hype cycle says they should. In this conversation from the MCP Dev Summit, he breaks down why MCP became the fastest de facto standard he's ever measured, why "SaaS is dead" is laughable, and what really happens to your infrastructure when one developer turns into a swarm of twenty.

Matt DeBergalis, CTO and co-founder of Apollo GraphQL, makes the case that AI agents should be treated as untrusted — maybe even adversarial — code running inside your firewall. In this conversation with Alex Salkever, Matt breaks down why the rush to wire agents into every enterprise system through MCP is creating a brand-new security surface, and how GraphQL's typed, governed "supergraph" model gives teams a safer way to connect agents to their APIs. It's a sharp, practical look at the collision of MCP, GraphQL, and enterprise AI from one of the people building the plumbing.

Shaun Smith is a software engineer, open source advocate, and MCP server maintainer at Hugging Face — creator of Fast Agent, the first agent framework built from the ground up around the Model Context Protocol. In this conversation from the MCP Dev Summit in New York, Shaun and Demetrios dig into why powerful models are "liquifying" open source libraries, how MCP Apps are reshaping AI interfaces, and what it means when the distribution of ideas matters more than the distribution of code.